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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.)

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct page if you tried to move a page, and you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:".

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the top of the list, filling in pages and reason:
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason=reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

Administrator needed

Put requests that require an administrator (e.g., because the page to be moved is move-protected or the target is creation-protected) here. Do not place a request here if it only requires a page mover.

Contested technical requests

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

To request a single page move, click on the "New section" tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 20 September 2021" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the article:

Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

Note that the |1= unnamed parameter is not used, and that the |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 20 September 2021

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 20 September 2021

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 20 September 2021

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2021‎ (UTC)

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Any additional comments:

This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 20 September 2021

– why Example (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 20 September 2021

– why Example (talk) 13:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Commenting on a requested move

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting can be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures). When a discussion has been relisted a bot partially underlines the "Discuss" link in the lists of debates: (Discuss).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.


  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 50 discussions have been relisted, indicated by (Discuss)

September 20, 2021

  • (Discuss)Aleister Black → ? – I believe this wrestlers WP:COMMONNAME should be reverted back to Tommy End. His Twitter is @TommyEnd, he wrestled for 15 years across the globe as Tommy End, and when he came back to AEW they called him Tommy End at first, because the announce team was unsure of his new ring name. If we use the model set by Miro and Christian Cage, at minimum his name should change to his new ring name Malakai Black. Bes2224 (talk) 03:09, 28 August 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Havelock Jones (talk) 09:02, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Lauda (airline)Laudamotion – I have seen everywhere and the common name for the airline is Laudamotion and not Lauda. I can see only a handful saying Lauda and the majority of it is Laudamotion. This also follows WP:COMMONNAME. Even though the branding changed, it was still called Laudamotion. Username006 (talk) 15:27, 27 August 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Havelock Jones (talk) 08:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Port ElizabethGqeberha – This article should have been moved months ago. Proof has already been posted on this page. However, South African news sources are not accepted for being "unreliable". This is transparently an effort by white South Africans to prolong the name "Port Elizabeth" in place of "Gqeberha" against the wishes of most South Africans. This goes against the fundamental ideas of Wikipedia. Articles should not pander to a specific ethnic group but rather reflect the common name. Three points from "Reasons for moving a page" apply here: 1. The title does not follow Wikipedia's naming conventions, such as that it is not the common name of the subject or it is overprecise. 2. The subject of the article has changed its name and the new name has come into majority use. 3. The title has been misspelled, does not contain standard capitalization or punctuation, or is misleading or inaccurate. There are no more arguments to be made besides looking at the proof that has already been provided. It must also be noted that many non-white South Africans do not have internet access and are thus unlikely to appear on the wikipedia talk page in great numbers. The legacy of apartheid still looms over South Africa in many ways, this is one of them. Desertambition (talk) 04:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Italy in CommonItalia in Comune – The translation of this name is ambiguous: the Italian word "Comune" can mean both "common" and "municipality" (Comune). This party was founded by mayors of many municipalities, indeed it is known as the "party of mayors", so the meaning of the name may not be unique. There is also no consolidated translation in the English-language sources for this party. In the absence of a unique and unambiguos translation, it is preferable to use the Italian name. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:55, 1 September 2021 (UTC) Relisting. Neel.arunabh (talk) 02:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

September 19, 2021

  • (Discuss)Periyar E. V. RamasamyPeriyar – The subject is commonly known as Periyar only, EVR is a distant second. Considering Wikipedia has a clause called WP:COMMONNAME, I am a bit shocked that such an obvious move was not performed so far. Yes, it is an honorific title, but the move is within under WP:TITLESINTITLES. Quite unsurprisingly, Wikipedians have referred to him as Periyar throughout the article, although the norm is Ramasamy should have been used instead since the title goes by so. This unequivocal, although subconscious, preference by Wikipedians to Periyar to me seems like a strong reason as to why Periyar alone should be considered the common name and thus be moved fittingly. Appu (talk) 20:51, 19 September 2021 (UTC) Appu (talk) 20:51, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)NEC Software SolutionsNorthgate Public Services – A recent request was posted in bad faith at WP:RM/TR styled as an "uncontroversial technical request"[1] As a result, move warring ensued, and the page is currently move protected in its current from. The move request essentially seeks consensus to either move the page back to it's former name, or keep the page as it is currently titled. May we achieve that consensus in the spirit of collaboration and the discipline of collegial good form? --John Cline (talk) 20:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)National Intelligence Organization (Turkey)National Intelligence Organization – I think we should remove the name Turkey in brackets because there is only one other organization with the same name. For other countries' intelligence agencies which has the same name as an other countries agency, the bigger agency just have their name without country name in Wikipedia. For example you can look at Federal Intelligence Service. There are two agencies with the same name, one Swiss and one German. Since the Swiss one is not as significant as the German one, the German one have the title in Wikipedia. A similar case is present here in my opinion. Katakana546 (talk) 19:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Wide Open SpacesWide Open Spaces (album) – This article is not properly shown as the primary topic on the associated DAB page, and I am wondering if it really should be a primary topic, with only around 100 views on a good day? There is also Wide Open Space (now with hatnote redirect), so I'm wondering if one DAB page should capture both of these forms, which could be easily confused, I would think. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:20, 29 August 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

September 18, 2021

  • (Discuss)List of magnetic tape cartridges and cassettesMagnetic tape cassette – We already have page for magnetic tape and video tape but not a proper page for cassette tape format and their broad history. Considering how many different formats there are, the various uses of the cassette format, and that magnetic tape wasn't just exclusive to magnetic tape cassettes but also used in reel-to-reel machines, I think we should rename this page to "Magnetic tape cassette" to make it a proper page about the format and add more information on it like the other related pages. Adding broader sections on the use of magnetic tape cassettes in audio, video, and data storage. Suriwashi (talk) 05:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Najwa GhanhemNajwa Ghanem – All sources I have seen spell her name as Najwa Ghanem and not as Ghanhem. Even in her own book "Growing up Bin Laden", she is called Ghanem. Therefore I suggest the article be moved to the redirect Najwa Ghanem. Saynotodrugs12 (talk) 12:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Paul the ApostleSaint Paul – I outlined my rationale for this move in the discussion above, though it was too late to properly discuss it. Per Ngram it's quite obvious how much more common it is to refer to Paul as a saint than an apostle. The usage of "saint" is certainly a moot point (e.g. this move discussion on Saint Peter) but as in many other articles there comes a point where the familiarity of a name overwhelms the need for absolute neutrality. I don't think many readers will get the feeling that we're endorsing the sainthood of Paul by referring to him by what the vast majority of popular and academic resources–Christian and non-Christian–refer to him by. GN-z11 05:47, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Alte Kunsthalle (Düsseldorf)Alte Kunsthalle – There are no other articles named "Alte Kunsthalle" in the English Wikipedia or the German Wikipedia. The English Wikipedia is even less likely to have any, as the title is in German, but as it's a proper name, it can stay in German. The disambiguation can always be brought back if further articles about "Alte Kunsthalle" appear. JIP | Talk 02:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

September 17, 2021

  • (Discuss)2020 Calabasas helicopter crashKobe Bryant helicopter crash – In the last requested move, this title was brought up, but was never seriously considered because it wasn't the focus of the discussion. I was one of the editors that supported moving the current name. However, I believe "Kobe Bryant helicopter crash" is by far the WP:COMMONNAME. Kobe Bryant helicopter crash gets a little over 3 million hits on Google, while the current name gets a little shy of 300 thousand. Additionally, this title would be consistent with titles such as John F. Kennedy Jr. plane crash. Overall, Bryant's name should be mentioned since this article would not be notable without him dying in the crash. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Anthony Gonzalez (politician)Anthony Gonzalez (American football) – Back in January the page was moved to politician from being the primary topic. While it can be argued that he shouldn't be the primary topic, it should have been discussed how this page should be disambiguated. He received a page originally because of his football career. He just announced he's not going to seek a 2nd term so he's going a two-term representative. His career as a representative has been pretty unremarkable, the sole thing he's known for in his time in congress so far is being one of very few Republicans to vote in favor of Trump's 2nd impeachment trial (not trying to express my personal opinion on that hope it doesn't come across that way.) In regards to his football career, he was first team All-Big 10 and played 5 years in the NFL. Even several articles about him not seeking re-election mention his football career. Rockchalk717 02:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

September 16, 2021

  • (Discuss)BDO World Darts ChampionshipWDF World Darts Championship – With the WDF World Championship appearing to be a continuation of the former BDO World Championship, it makes sense that the article should be re-titled and transitioned over to being used for the 2022 edition. The WDF has made the history of the BDO-era the history of the new WDF championship, and noting that the BDO-organised event was WDF-sanctioned. The venue returning to the Lakeside and the WDF-affiliated tournaments that serve as the events that count toward the World Rankings and automatic qualification for the WDF World Championship being part of the same structure that led into the BDO World Championship also help make the tournament be a continuation of the BDO version and not a whole new event. SportResarcher (talk) 18:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Spirit of TroyUSC Trojan Marching Band – The official name of the band is the USC Trojan Marching Band. The "Spirit of Troy" is the band's nickname. * The entry for the band in the "About USC" section of the university's website — Although it says "Known as the Spirit of Troy," it is followed by "...the Trojan Marching Band", and the header at the top clearly says "Trojan Marching Band". In context, the "known as" serves the function of a shortened "also known as", not the function of providing the name of the band, which would not be consistent with everything else that the entry indicates. * Entry on the USC Athletics website — This is at first confusing, because at the top it says "Spirit of Troy — Trojan Marching Band". However, the text below clarifies this: "Shortly after the University of Southern California was founded in 1880, a group of musicians first came together to form what would become the Trojan Marching Band (TMB)". It then says, "It has truly earned its nickname “The Spirit of Troy” for its commitment to USC and its tireless support of Trojan athletics." The unusually written header is actually exactly as an announcer, such as the public address announcer at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, would introduce the band. The website is simply emulating the grandiose introduction. * The band's official website — Again, one could be misled by the website proudly displaying "Spirit of Troy" in large letters, but this is not inconsistent with the term being the band's nickname. It is not a header. The use of the term in the band's logo is no more convincing than saying that the name of the University of California system is actually "Let there be light". Below, it says "Jake Vogel has been named the next director of the USC Trojan Marching Band." The 'About Us' section of the website is an exact copy of the USC Athletics website and reiterates that "Spirit of Troy" is a nickname. * The alumni organization is named the Trojan Marching Band Alumni Association, not the "Spirit of Troy Alumni Association". Lastly, if none of the above persuades, bear in mind that official mail correspondence to the band goes to:

    USC Trojan Marching Band University of Southern California 1025 West 34th Street King Hall (KOH), Los Angeles, CA 90089

    And any email correspondence goes to In conclusion, I fully concede that the band's use of both terms can be confusing and seemingly inconsistent at times, but the band has made it abundantly clear that the name is the USC Trojan Marching Band, or simply Trojan Marching Band for short, and the acronym is TMB for a reason. The settings in which the term "Spirit of Troy" are used (social media handles, etc.) are the same settings in which a nickname would sensibly be used, and it is never used in official correspondence. (talk) 18:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Peter William CrowleyPeter Crowley – Procedural request, for User:Jburke2005. Requested at RfD (wrong forum) here with this rationale: "I propose that the redirect from Peter Crowley to Peter Crowley (Gaelic footballer) should be deleted. I intent to change the title of the article Peter William Crowley to "Peter Crowley", however, I cannot do so, as the redirect still exists. Peter William Crowley is notable as one of the world's longest hunger strikers, and I wish to change his page name to "Peter Crowley", as that is what he is referred to as in various documents, and in the media." Natg 19 (talk) 17:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)UnicodeUnicode Standard – The term "Unicode" is ambiguous, and may be used to refer to the Unicode Standard, the Unicode Consortium, Unicode characters, Unicode-encoded text, or any number of things related to the implementation of the Unicode Standard or the processing of Unicode text. The Unicode Consortium actively discourages the use of the term "Unicode" as an isolated noun ("Always use “Unicode” as an adjective followed by an appropriate noun. Do not use “Unicode” alone as a noun" Unicode Consortium Name and Trademark Usage Policy), and states that "The Unicode® Standard" should be used in preference to simply "Unicode" (of course we do not use ® on Wikipedia per MOS:TMRULES). The subject of this article is specifically the Unicode Standard (the opening sentence should be "The Unicode Standard is an information technology standard for ..."), and not the general concept of "Unicode", so the article should be moved to Unicode Standard, with Unicode left as a redirect to avoid having to rename thousands of wikilinks. BabelStone (talk) 16:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Giant hutiaHeptaxodontidae – There are only 34 hits for "giant hutia", but over 150 for Heptaxodontidae in G.scholar. The made up vernacular is much less used by experts then Heptaxodontidae and WP:COMMON/WP:FAUNA dictate using the most oft used unambiguous term--Kevmin § 16:09, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

September 15, 2021

  • (Discuss)Hall & OatesDaryl Hall and John Oates – I'd like to re-opening requested move & vote in favor. I can't believe it hasn't be done before either. The pair have themselves been outspoken about this. They're Daryl Hall and John Oates. If the Wikipedia is to be a canonical reference, it should recognize that. Sorry I wasn't around earlier. Sure, I understand all the disputative policies but it's just plain wrong, decided by people who apparently don't know anything about the subject matter. That would make it at least 5 to 4. Thanks. -- (talk) 17:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Seven CommunitiesSette Comuni – Restore the page to the title it has had for the last eight years, the name by which the region is almost invariably known in reliable English-language sources. Specifically, searches yield:  ;"Seven Communities" Asiago plateau * JSTOR: 1 result; the article is entitled "The Sette Comuni: A Teutonic Survival on Italian Soil" * Scholar: 5 results, of which one is immediately verifiable * GBooks: 26 hits, of which 13 are verifiable; of these 7 give "Seven communities" as a parenthetic translation of Sette Comuni.  ;"Sette Comuni" Asiago plateau * JSTOR: 9 results (I've verified only four or five of them) * Scholar: 134 results, of which dozens (at least) are immediately verifiable * GBooks: over 400 hits, verifiable results at least as far as the tenth page (of 44). Seven Communities should probably be a dab page, give that it commonly (usually?) refers to the Siebengemeinden. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Parse (platform)Parse Inc. – The is a lack of disambiguation between the now discontinued commercial service ( and the active open source version Parse Platform ( Community feedback showed that some tend to think that Parse Platform was discontinued, as Wikipedia does not have a proper disambiguation for the two and mixes both on this page. To address this, the proposed change is to rename this page from "Parse (platform)", to "Parse Inc." to free up the term "parse platform" so we can create a new page "Parse Platform" that focuses on the open source version. ParsePlatform (talk) 10:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)ArtspaceArtspace, New Haven – While none of the pages on the Artspace (disambiguation) page get a huge number of views, there are quite a few options there, with the website getting more than this one, and I don't think that this one gets enough to warrant primary topic. I suggest redirecting this name to the DAB page and give it a place suffix. (The Sydney one, despite its official longer name, is branded and always known simply as Artspace.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Akhil AmarAkhil Reed Amar – The article was most recently renamed "Akhil Amar" in 2015 due to "common usage". From 2006-11 it was "Akhil Reed Amar", 2011-13 "Akhil Amar", 2013-15 with "Reed" again, and finally "Akhil Amar" since 2015. However, "Akhil Reed Amar" is the more common name; it has nearly 272,000 google results compared to "Akhil Amar" with only 39,000. Additionally, all of his books include his middle name in the author field. Arbor to SJ (talk) 03:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

September 14, 2021

  • (Discuss)Bayraktar Tactical UASBayraktar UAV – Bayraktar is a family of UAVs produced by Baykar. While they started to build the UAVs only in tactical class, overtime they started to make MALE and HALE class UAVs. Due to this reason, it is not reasonable to still keep the name Tactical in the title. It also says UAS insted of UAV; while this is technically true, nobody including the news agencies use the word UAS, instead they use UAVs which is also true. So, I think it would be best for this article to be moved to "Bayraktar UAV" Slh7477 (talk) 23:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Alejandro BaldéAlejandro Balde – This article was created first here under the spelling "Álex Balde", and another version was created under "Alejandro Balde" a few minutes later. Several spellings are used by secondary sources for this player, but "Alejandro Balde" seems to be the one used by the player and his club. So I don't know if we should delete the chronologically second version to allow the move of this one, or if we should merge them, I genuinely don't know what is more appropriate in this circumstances. Thanks for your help. Coco (talk) 22:39, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)CsangosCsángós – Seems to be the correct name of this people. We already use diacritics for the article Székelys and would consider "Szekely" incorrect and fix it, so I don't see why this would be any different for the Csángós. Context for people without knowledge of the area: the Székelys and the Csángós are Hungarian subgroups outside Hungary, the first lives in Transylvania and the second in Moldavia, both in Romania (which is divided into three regions, the third being Wallachia). By the way, it isn't like Csangos is some kind of compromise for the Romanians, it is still pretty much the same name as the Hungarian one. For all of this, I see no reason for keeping this name without diacritics. For those wondering about what do reliable sources say, results are mixed [27]. I see Csángós more often than Csangos though. Also note the category of this people uses diacritics. Super Ψ Dro 21:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Corporation for National and Community ServiceAmeriCorps – The federal agency formerly known as Corporation for National and Community Service one year ago rebranded itself as AmeriCorps, which was formerly the umbrella name for only three of its programs. I have relocated the bulk of the content from the page "AmeriCorps" to the page "Corporation for National and Community Service" (CNCS) and would like now to move the CNCS page to the AmeriCorps page, overwriting what remains of the AmeriCorps page. I considered renaming the old AmeriCorps page something like "AmeriCorps (programs)" and moving the CNCS page to something like "AmeriCorps (agency)", but this doesn't make sense because, to further complicate things, the agency has re-branded three of its other programs as "AmeriCorps" programs now, folding nearly everything they do under this "AmeriCorps" umbrella. I sought advice on the CNCS talk page about this one year ago and got no response, so I am making this proposal as someone knowledgeable about the agency after observing their branding for the past year. Grn1749 (talk) 15:39, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sky marshalIn-flight security officer – The representative body for those who provide this service is "The International In-Flight Security Officer Committee (IIFSOC)", so it is logical to rename this article to match, rather than use a colloquiallism that only applies to some countries Somersetlevels (talk) 11:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Prince-electorElector of the Holy Roman Empire – The page name Prince-elector has been questioned since 2004, and I believe that the WP:COMMONNAME of the title is simply "elector", which can be disambiguated by adding "of the Holy Roman Empire". In Wikipedia the members of Category:Electors of the Holy Roman Empire are disambiguated as elector rather than prince-elector and, as an example, "Elector of Brandenburg" is used 984 times and "Prince-elector of Brandenburg" only 32 times. The context is a proposal to rename "Category:Electors of the Holy Roman Empire" as "Category:Prince-electors of the Holy Roman Empire". TSventon (talk) 06:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

September 13, 2021

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  • (Discuss)Massa → ? – I'm unable to find evidence that this Italian town is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this article title. In particular, the Massa language, which is apparently spoken by 200,000 people in Chad and Cameroon, seems to have an arguably stronger claim to that title; given the Italian town has a population of only c.70,000, having it at the base title seems Eurocentric, which is a problem in a WP:GLOBAL encyclopaedia. Searching for the term "Massa" generally brings up articles about individuals with that surname, including the now-retired racing driver Felipe Massa. I am unsure what the best disambiguation for the Italian town would be, but I do not believe that there is a primary topic for this article title. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:09, 4 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 01:00, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)JailwangJelbang – Hardly anyone calls it Jailwang. After searching Jailwang up on Google ,virtually none of the News Articles online even mentioned Nepal, much less Jelbang; while after I searched up Jelbang all of the results actually gave me things related to the subject. It's just more sensible. Wikipedia doesn't say 6ix instead of Toronto. Dunutubble (talk) 22:06, 4 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Without RegretWithout Regret (album) – There are two articles with the same title and I do not believe there is a clear primary topic. I am proposing that Without Regret be turned into a disambiguation page and this article be renamed and moved to one that specifies this is an album. I am uncertain if this would count as a controversial move or not so I decided to open up this discussion to be on the safe side. Aoba47 (talk) 22:14, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pulmonary alveolusLung parenchyma – There is no page at the moment which is often referred to, and since all alveoli make up the parenchyma, new page would be a good parent page. It would easily also be a better target for other structures at the moment included in Pulmonary alveolus page such as alveolar ducts, and sacs. Iztwoz (talk) 20:30, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Jointness and integration in the Indian militaryIntegrated Theatre Commands – I propose this title, but everyone can suggest there own choice, this request is not just for this title only but rather "to change" the current title. Current title has many issues, first no one recognise it, even when i personally searched "Integrated Theatre Commands" on google to gain some knowledge about this topic, i found this article but for a while i didn't open it, because of this title, i was literaly thinking that this article must be about something else. After some time when i finally clicked on this article then i realised that this is exactly what i was looking for but this title really keep readers away from this page. i dont know what exact wikipedia policy should i use as "reason" to change this title, but this title needs to be changed that much i know. Uttarpradeshi (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Johny Johny Yes PapaJohnny Johnny Yes Papa – Looks like the original nursery rhyme (as quoted from the Wilson 1989 source) spells the name as "Johnny", the 2018 viral video spells it "Johny". As the article is about the rhyme rather than the video, it should use the original double-N spelling. Lord Belbury (talk) 14:17, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


  • (Discuss)Ish-boshethIshbaal – Although there are two sections above in which editors have suggested changing the name of the article, it does not appear that either has actually proposed a move. The NRSV gives his name as Ishbaal with a footnote (at 2 Sam 2:8)[29]

    Gk Compare 1 Chr 8.33; 9.39: Heb Ish-bosheth, "man of shame"

    . The references to Chronicles give his name as Eshbaal. The New Interpreter's Study Bible has a footnote

    The name Ishbaal comes from the Greek text. In the Hebrew text the name is Ishbosheth ("Man of Shame"), no doubt a play on words. "Baal" is both a common noun meaning "lord" and a proper name for the Canaanite god. In the latter meaning, it became a name of shame for an Israelite. Bosheth was often substituted for Baal in names (cf. Mephibosheth/Mephibaal in 4:4).

    The NJPS gives his name as Ish-bosheth with a footnote

    Meaning "Man of Shame," deliberately alterered from Ish-baal, "man of Baal"

    The Jewish Study Bible (2nd edition) has a margin note

    [Ish-bosheth] is a tendentious and secondary form of the name Ish-baal (NJPS Eshbaal), Baal-exists, which has been transformed into "there is shame." The original form of the name is preserved in some Gk versions and in 1 Chron. 8.33 and 9.39.

    The position therefore seems tolerably clear that his name was Ishbaal/Eshbaal and has been deliberately altered, although it is unclear whether the original name meant Man of Baal or Baal-exists or if baal was being used as a common noun for lord. Either way, Ish-bosheth was not his real name. Havelock Jones (talk) 11:48, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2020–21 I-League 2nd DivisionI-League Qualifiers 2021 – For the last 2 years, the format of this division has changed. Instead of a league, it's a qualifier tournament held just before the I-League. There are no constant teams. Teams are being nominated by the state FAs and final selection is being done by AIFF. No pyramid structure as such for the past couple of years. All media reports, official websites mention it as I-League Qualifiers. So, I would like to propose that the name of season articles of the past 2 years, i.e. 2020 and 2021, should be changed.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  13:48, 3 September 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 09:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ring-tailed catRingtail – The species Ringtail is a fairly unambiguous primary subject. The two pages currently bearing parenthetical variations are both stubs and obscure. Additionally Ring-tailed cat is a misnomer that is not to my knowledge in common usage, it is certainly less common than "Ringtail" At the very least, Ring-tailed cat should be changed to "Ringtail(animal), however even in that case, i think it makes sense to treat it as the primary subject, if even via a redirect. GayCoonie (talk) 16:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ventoura (marketplace)VentouraVentoura used to be an article about an app for travelling, then changed into a redirect to Zoe Ventoura, then changed back to an article about an app for travelling and added content about an unrelated online marketplace. The part about the original marketplace was moved to this article, and the original article Ventoura was deleted. So the current situation is that we have Zoe Ventoura and Ventoura (marketplace) but not Ventoura. Therefore this article should be moved to the plain name. If this article is later deleted, Ventoura can be changed back to a redirect to Zoe Ventoura. JIP | Talk 10:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Battle of MarawiMarawi siege – The battle has never been referred to the proper noun "Battle of Marawi" prior to the move of this article. I suspect support for the move was largely due to a common naming schemes for contemporary skirmishes here in Wikipedia (and nowhere else) such as the Battle of Raqqa (2017), The skirmish has been continued to be referred to as "Marawi siege" by WP:RS when searching through google using "Marawi rehabilitation", "Marawi Maute", "Marawi ISIS" – since using both "Battle of Marawi" and "Marawi siege" as search terms would skew results. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 08:29, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ann McLane KusterAnnie Kuster – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NCP, most sources, and indeed her own campaign materials refer to her as "Annie Kuster", not "Ann McLane Kuster". Her House website does list her name as "Ann McLane Kuster", and some sources use "Ann Kuster", but it seems that most use the more familiar "Annie Kuster" is the most widely used in reliable secondary sources. WMSR (talk) 21:36, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Liberty Stadium – Surprised to see this hasn't been done already. The stadium was called Liberty Stadium not because the people of Swansea wanted to honour the concept of freedom, but because of a £500,000 sponsorship deal in October 2005. [32] According to aforementioned source, if you want an unsponsored name for the place, it would be "New Stadium Swansea", something which existed for a few weeks when the team were in League One. For those outside the British football loop, the stadium has a new naming deal for the next decade. [33] There is precedent in moving the names of modern stadiums which have never been unsponsored: DW Stadium (formerly JJB), University of Bolton Stadium (formerly Reebok, Macron) and lord knows how many North American stadiums. (talk) 14:17, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Verizon 200Brickyard 400 – This article should be focused on the race that took place on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway oval from 1994-2020. It should be moved back to it's common name, and info about the new-for-2021 race on the IMS road course should be split into it's own article. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)WION (TV channel)WION – WION is a english news channel like BBC and CNN for example. we can see CNN or BBC neither of them is titled as "BBC TV channel" or "CNN TV channel" so i think fundamentally these type of pages should be titled with their name only. According to WP:COMMONNAME, common name should be used as title of article, so if we consider a random search engine result we can easily see that "WION TV channel" with around 1,10,00,000 results is not the common name when compared to "WION" with around 1,44,00,000 results. but still i guess some might not agree with me, so i would to attach one more proof of "news" section results. with 1,07,00,000 results "WION" is the real common name when compared to much lower "WION TV channel" with around 7,41,000 results only. and ya i know "WION" name is already in use for disambiguation page. so my take on this is, if we reached to a consensus to use "WION" as article's title so we could change that disambiguation page's title to "WION (disambiguation)". thank you. Uttarpradeshi (talk) 15:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Anthony Hudson (football manager)Anthony Hudson (soccer) – Based on FIFA nationality rules, birth place generally applies when the subject has not declared/represented a country internationally. Since for Hudson this would be the US, American English should apply here and the standard disambiguation would be "soccer." Seany91 (talk) 06:52, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ravi Shankar (spiritual leader)Shri Shri Ravi Shankar – Google search engine results of "Shri Shri Ravi Shankar" are more than 64,80,000 and if we consider the other name "Ravi shankar (spiritual leader)" it has just 9,23,000 results. the news section brings justice to both the names since "shri shri ravi shankar" has around 51000 results while "Ravi Shankar (spiritual leader)" has only 6290 results. so clearly "Shri Shri Ravi Shankar" should be the name of article as per WP:COMMONNAME and "ravi shankar (spiritual leader)" should be put as redirect to the page. One more thing to be considered, some might argue that "Ravi Shankar" should be the article name as it has the highest results with around 7,99,00,000 results in random search and around 34,80,000 results in news section. but this name can't be put alone because there are many famous personalities with the same name "Ravi Shankar" like former IT minister of india and also one more famous personality is there with same name, he is a indian composer. so we can't use this name in its raw form, we have to use "small brackets" and put some information about him like "spiritual leader" or something, but that "small brackets" names are not suitable according to WP:COMMONNAME. so i think "Shri Shri Ravi Shankar" is the most suitable name. Please argue accordingly. Uttarpradeshi (talk) 06:01, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Alpha-olefin sulfonateΑ-Olefin sulfonate – Since the previous RM discussion (above), there has been discussion at WikiProject Chemicals about how to handle article titles for compounds with Greek letter prefixes and as a result the naming conventions were updated. Accordingly, this page should be moved to allow for use of {{lowercasetitle}} to properly display the title as α-Olefin sulfonate. I bring to RM since there was certainly past uncertainty about the name. If for some reason there is not support for the indicated move, a move should at least be made to the proper form of the current name, Alpha-Olefin sulfonate (prefixes are not capitalized, but must be for Wikipedia page names; the first non-prefix letter should be capitalized as well according to the naming conventions). Note: The proposed move target has a Greek capital alpha, not a Latin capital A; this is important for lowercasetitle to work properly. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:49, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Faizabad divisionAyodhya division – Google Search engine results are very close to both names, like for "faizabad division" it is around 11,50,000 and for "ayodhya division" 10,90,000. So if we consider "news" sections results, we can clearly see the difference in common name, for "faizabad division" it is around 4000 but for "ayodhya division" it is around 20000. so clearly we can see what should be the article's title according to WP:COMMONNAME. Uttarpradeshi (talk) 18:00, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Sewanee: The University of the SouthSewanee (university)WP:COMMONNAME. The current name is redundant and stilted (and probably fails WP:THE). Except for very few formal contexts, the university is typically referred to by one name or the other, not both at the same time. All three people who commented on the previous RM two and a half years ago said that the common name is simply "Sewanee". As commented in 2010, "Sewanee" even appears on the university's diplomas. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:20, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Aatami (magazine)AatamiAatami is currently a redirect to Adam (given name). Aatami is a Finnish translation of Adam, however, they are still different names. Not a single entry on the disambiguation page Adam (given name) is named Aatami. Therefore Aatami should be about the magazine unless we find enough people named Aatami (not Adam) to create a new disambiguation page. JIP | Talk 12:08, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)School strike for climateSchool Strike for Climate – The title should be capitalized as it is a proper name. It would be one thing if the article were referring to just any school strike for climate, but this article refers to a specific movement roughly from 2018 to 2020. The phrase was coined by Thunberg and used as a name for the movement-- therefore, it should be capitalized. (Not to mention all names of the movement are already capitalized in the lead) ~BappleBusiness[talk] 06:36, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)PolandballCountryballs – lorem ipsum Gaioa (T C L) 16:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC) The name has shifted over the years. Most existing sources are a few years old, but presently the format clearly known by the latter name. Google results are 1.2M vs 3.5M, Google News results are 1k vs 4k. Gaioa (T C L) 16:16, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)AnilaoAnilao, Iloilo – While it is uncontroversially accepted that WP:MOSPHIL states uniquely-named municipalities (Philippine towns) and towns that are considered primary topics (like Mariveles and Minglanilla) are deserving of plain <cityname> only convention, this is probably not the case for Anilao, Iloilo. A simple Google search reveals all top 10 search results (excluding the result for enwiki) are about the much more famous resort barangay of Anilao, Mabini, Batangas. It is debatable on which of the two deserves the primacy status (the town that is one division higher than barangays in the Philippine administrative division hierarchy, or the barangay that is the subordinate of a town but is more famous as a major tourist destination for many tourists and the number one thing that comes into the mind of Filipinos when they hear the word "Anilao"). However, as a potential compromise "Anilao" shall become the disambiguation page and both Anilao, Iloilo and Anilao, Mabini, Batangas be listed on the disambiguation page. Note that the Mabini barangay had article before, until it was deleted to pave the way for move of Anilao, Iloilo into this title. A search on both Google and Google Maps yields three other barangays with the same name (Anilao of Malolos, Anilao of Lipa, Batangas, and Anilao of Pavia, Iloilo) which can be simply listed on the future disambiguation page even if they have no articles. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:49, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mohammed OmarMullah Omar – Mullah Omar is by far the WP:COMMONNAME for Mohammed Omar. According to Google Trends [34] the term "Mullah Omar" by far surpasses the name "Mohammad Omar" or "Mohammed Omar" since Google first started keeping track of searches, and the term "Mullah Omar" is closely correlated to the topic "Mohammad Omar", meaning that people searching for "Mullah Omar" are likely to be searching for Mohammad Omar. Additionally, Google ngrams [35] shows that the term "Mullah Omar" is used at a rate several times greater in print sources than "Mohammed Omar" and a variety of other spellings of that name, and this has been a consistent trend since 1997. While "Mullah" is a religious title, we generally include religious titles in article names when they are a part of the common name for the subject, like Mahatma Gandhi or Mother Teresa. Chess (talk) (please use {{reply to|Chess}} on reply) 03:37, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2019–2021 Chilean protests2019–2020 Chilean protests – The previous move was wrong. Albeit there are sporadic protest in Chile there have been such in almost all years of the 2000s and 2010s. The existence of small sporadic protests in 2021 is in it self not proof of the 2019–2020 Chilean protests continuing into 2021. The events of October 2019 will likely shape politics in Chile for various years to come but the big event ended in 2020. So it is written in the Spanish language Wikipedia article, which as usual receive much more scrutiny than English language Wikipedia on these topics. It is a well-known fact that the Covid epidemic in Chile ended the protest by such degree that President Piñera could in April 2020 stand in Plaza Dignidad, the epicenter of the protest that had been occupied for months by Primera Línea and alikes. Anyone one who would like to extend the title to include 2021, 2022 or even beyond should prove their case an not the other way way round. The previous "requested move" was very slopy in its arguments as no examples or sources were given to extend the date to 2021. For all these reasons I propose to move the article back to 2019–2020 Chilean protests. Dentren | Talk 19:49, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)RegnensesRegni – When the leading lights of Romano-British history consider *Regneses to be an anachronistic term and non-historical supposition, WP should not be using it as the article title or giving it other WP:UNDUE weight, per WP:FRINGE. Regni is also the most WP:COMMONNAME anyway.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  02:09, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Alex Pereira (kickboxer)Alex Pereira – The kickboxer is the primary topic with 300 daily views per day not counting the surge in views from his recent signing to the UFC. The footballer gets 0-1 views and the other two people Alex Pereira Soras/Lopaz do not generate views, but can be put on the disambiguation page that will be put in the hatnote of "Alex Pereira", the kickboxer, should this be approved. Marty2Hotty (talk) 15:45, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)ICloud leaks of celebrity photos2014 celebrity nude photo leak – I suggest moving this article to "2014 celebrity nude photo leak" because the current title, "ICloud leaks of celebrity photos" implies that 1) iCloud was involved in all the photos leaked (a reading of the article reveals they were not), and 2) that the article deals with all iCloud leaks of celebrity photos regardless of when or how they happened, when the article is actually specifically only about the "mega-leak" popularly dubbed "The Fappening". NEOGEO6 (talk) 02:35, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Philosophy TubeAbigail Thorn – People have been suggesting this for months, but no-one has taken it to a formal requested move yet, so this is me doing that. The article is about a YouTuber, Abigail Thorn, who is commonly known by her online handle Philosophy Tube. A podcast (Kill James Bond), an audiobook narration and an upcoming role in Django are under her real name; the channel name is attached to the rest of her work (in conjunction with her real name). Take a dive into Category:YouTubers and you can find both YouTubers whose articles are titled under their real name and under their channel's name. I think "Philosophy Tube" is the more recognisable name, but "Abigail Thorn" is compelling because it will continue to be applicable in future, will clear up repeated confusion over what the article is about, and is perhaps more formal/encyclopedic. However, I am neutral on the topic and do not support or oppose moving. — Bilorv (talk) 19:48, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)PredestinationPredestination in Christianity – The concept of "predestination" occurs in multiple religions, it is not exclusive to Christianity. We already have an article on Predestination in Islam. Although Christian and Muslim beliefs on this topic are not identical, you can find a lot of scholarly literature in comparative religion, etc, comparing and contrasting their respective beliefs on the same topic (see e.g. Google Scholar). There are also comparable beliefs in other religions (such as the ancient Greek belief in Moirai) and some work in comparative religion has compared those beliefs to Christian/Islamic concepts of predestination as well. Therefore I propose the main article, Predestination, should consider the concept of "predestination" from a comparative religions viewpoint, providing a brief overview of the views (or range of views) in each religion on this issue, and relying on those scholarly sources which discuss the similarities and differences between doctrines of predestination in Christianity, Islam, and other religions. And then we can have sub-articles Predestination in Christianity and Predestination in Islam to cover each of those religion's views on this topic in more detail. (There is probably not enough material to support such an article for any other religion at present, but that could always change if someone found sufficient sources to set up such an article for a different religion). This would require deleting the existing redirect Predestination in Christianity to here (which I assume requires administrator assistance), and then after moving this article to Predestination in Christianity we can create a stub here for Predestination across multiple religions, and then we can work on fleshing out that stub into a proper article. The current situation, where we have an article called plain Predestination about Christianity, and one called Predestination in Islam about Islam, is not treating Christianity and Islam equally, it is a Christian-centric approach. (I'm not suggesting there has been any deliberate intention here by anyone to treat the two religions unequally–sometimes these situations can just happen by accident.) Mr248 (talk) 02:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Accrington/Rossendale built-up areaAccrington/Rossendale Built-up area – Proposing these two as test cases: if these moves are agreed then we can move all other cases of these two capitalisations to "Xyz Built-up area". I propose this because it is the form used by ONS, and it indicates that we are not just talking about the area perceived to be built up, but a specific unit defined by ONS as the "Built-up area". The capital "B" avoids ambiguity. We have at present a mix of the three capitalisations, and consistency would be better. There is a further question as to whether "Xxx Urban area" and "Xxx urban area" should be moved and edited to "Xxx Built-up area", to be discussed separately. PamD 21:12, 21 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Jack Frost (talk) 11:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kanawha County textbook controversy → ? – 'Controversy' is very much a euphemism when bombs are involved... the Oklahoma incident isn't called a controversy... there were other incidents here as detailed, but surely having 'terrorism' in the title, or maybe 'terroristic controversy' should be adequate (as the categories themselves indicate)... it's violence made for political reasons, and even if it was successful it's still terrorism... (talk) 06:56, 23 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:34, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Big Selimiye MosqueSelimiye Mosque, Üsküdar – The mosque is most commonly called the "Selimiye Mosque" in reliable English sources, whereas the current name name doesn't appear in any independent sources (e.g. not a single match on Google Books or Google Scholar). The current page name is a direct translation of "Büyük Selimiye Cami", a name used in Turkish, but the use of the word "Big" here is awkward and unnecessary. Since all the other "Selimiye" Mosques include a disambiguator in their page names (e.g. the more famous "Selimiye Mosque, Edirne"), it should be very reasonable to include one here too.
    Example of English sources consulted: Doğan Kuban (2010) "Ottoman Architecture"; John Freely (2011), "A History of Ottoman Architecture"; Ünver Rüstem (2019), "Ottoman Baroque: The Architectural Refashioning of Eighteenth-Century Istanbul". Another standard reference, Godfrey Goodwin's (1971) "A History of Ottoman Architecture", calls it the "Selim III Mosque", which would also be a sufficient alternative, but "Selimiye Mosque" seems to be clearly more common. R Prazeres (talk) 19:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)OmarUmar – On 26 September this page was moved from Umar to Omar (see the discussion). This was based on the Ngram Omar,Umar, which shows higher counts for 'Omar' than for 'Umar'. This was rightly countered in the discussion by the fact that Omar ibn al-Khattab,Umar ibn al-Khattab shows a higher count for the latter (that Omar by itself gets more hits than Umar is undoubtedly related to the popularity of people like Omar Sharif, who alone is probably more often mentioned in the popular press than all historical Umars together). The response to that was that Omar+caliph,Umar+caliph also favors Omar over Umar, but this is a mistake: the + operator here merely makes the sum of how often Omar occurred and how often caliph occurred, not how often they occurred together. This is also why the percentage is so much higher for Omar+caliph,Umar+caliph than for Omar ibn al-Khattab,Umar ibn al-Khattab: the former sums up two already fairly common n-grams, while the latter restricts it to the very specific name of our caliph. The correct comparison would be to look for caliph Omar,caliph Umar, which also favors Umar over Omar. But what I think much more reliable in any case is Google Scholar, which shows 1470 results for "Omar ibn al-Khattab" and 5560 results for "Umar ibn al-Khattab". Omar caliph gives 17100 results, and Umar caliph 32000. Google Books shows similar results: 11700 for "Omar ibn al-Khattab" and 22800 for "Umar ibn al-Khattab". This is just because in all but one established Arabic transliteration schemes, ḍamma is represented by "u" rather than by "o". This can also be noted in the titles of other articles on early Arabic-Islamic figures with a ḍamma in their name: we have Muhammad not Mohammed, Uthman not Othman, and of course Umar II not Omar II. But WP:TITLECON is just a supplemental argument here: the fact of the matter is that international scholarly convention is to transliterate ḍamma with "u", and that academic English usage largely follows this convention. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ) 14:46, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Geronimo (alpaca)Euthanisation of Geronimo the alpaca – This article is currently about 5% about the actual alpaca named Geronimo, and 95% about the TB test, attempts to prevent, and subsequent euthanisation of said animal, so the article title should reflect that. Suggestions for alternative titles conveying a similar shift in emphasis are welcomed, of course. EditorInTheRye (talk) 12:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)DTC -Yukemuri Junjou Hen- from High&LowDTC: Yukemuri Junjo Hen from High & Low – The first official release of this film in the US, UK or Australia was on Netflix, on which it is titled DTC Yukemuri Junjo Hen From High & Low. Going on the naming conventions for films, the article title should be based on that, though corrected to indicate divisions between parts of the title and use standard English title caps, hence DTC: Yukemuri Junjo Hen from High & Low. Though it might be argued it should be DTC: Yukemuri Junjo Hen from High&Low for consistency with other articles about the High&Low franchise, the titles of the films are all written on Netflix as High & Low, and the release of the films on Netflix is the first release of any video content in the franchise in what English Wikipedia defines as "the English-speaking world". Tempjrds (talk) 05:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kapiti CoastKāpiti Coast – The Kāpiti Coast District Council[2] recognize the name of the coast should include a Macron over the "a". This also impacts the pronunciation of the name. While kapiti is also a Te Reo word, Te Taura Whiri i te Reo Maori has advocated for the use of the macron in place names when in keeping with Local Iwi pronunciation, as Kāpiti does. [3]


  1. ^ "Северный флот России получил статус военного округа". Interfax (in Russian). 1 January 2021.
  2. ^ "Home Page". Kāpiti Coast. NZGOVT. Retrieved 31 July 2021.
  3. ^ Te Taura Whiri i te Reo Māori. "Kāpiti the place name and kapiti the word". Scoop. Retrieved 31 July 2021.
Powellelli (talk) 02:06, 31 July 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink ( ) 23:01, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)TelecommunicationTelecommunicationsTelecommunication refers to the action of communicating over a distance, while the wider term covering the technology and industry, which is the scope of this article, almost always appears as telecommunications. Now it's a bit unclear whether this is actually considered a plural form—Merriam-Webster gives the definition as "technology that deals with telecommunication —usually used in plural"[37], while Lexico (previously Oxford Dictionaries) says, "(telecommunications) [treated as singular] The branch of technology concerned with telecommunication."[38] But that shouldn't matter, since both show that Telecommunications should be the preferred title. Paul_012 (talk) 17:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink ( ) 22:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ford (disambiguation)Ford – No primary topic for "Ford" since the crossing has considrable long-term significance and there is also Gerald and Henry Ford as well as a large number of places and other uses. There was a clear consensus at Talk:Ford Motor Company#Requested move 15 August 2021 not to move the company to "Ford" partly due to ambiguity and partly due to common name and a reasonable consensus that the DAB should be at the base name but was probably not done per Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Moves of other pages and it was noted a separate RM would be needed. The company can be kept at the top along with the crossing like with Mercury along perhaps with Gerald and Henry. This issue has been debated for years but if the DAB is moved to the base name the issue should be resolved. The crossing is the origin of the surname and probably all or most of the other uses. There are also very often links intended for the crossing that point to Ford, see User:Certes/misdirected links. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:42, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Collective Consciousness SocietyC.C.S. – I do not believe that the name of the band as shown in chart listings, record sleeves and labels etc was ever anything other than C.C.S. That set of initials may have been derived from "Collective Consciousness Society", but that appears to be the reason behind the name of the band, not the name itself. C.C.S. with the full stops, which is the way it was presented on record labels (unfortunately, the two eponymous albums both went without full stops on their album covers, and they might need moving in due time) does not seem to need disambiguation: redirects will be needed. Kevin McE (talk) 13:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Template:OTRS talkTemplate:Ticket talk – Per the OTRS to VRT migration, we can no longer use the acronym "OTRS" for legal reasons. Other templates, such as {{OTRS ticket}} have already been moved. RM because this might be controversial, and tbh I don't really like the name "Ticket talk", feel free to suggest a better name. — Berrely • TalkContribs 09:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. — Shibbolethink ( ) 11:14, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hitachi Rail ItalyHitachi Rail – Wanted to build consensus before changing the name of a major manufacturer. The website for Hitachi Rail lists its structure. A global head office in London, with the headquarter for the specifically named Hitachi Rail SpA based in Pistoia - The overarching name seems to be Hitachi Rail with a head office in London They then have 2 HQs Hitachi Rail SpA (HQ in Pistoia) - focus of this article Hitachi, Ltd. Railway Systems Business Unit (HQ in Tokyo) All official documents for tenders are also made under this name and the website of Hitachi Rail makes no mention of anything called “Hitachi Rail Italy” anymore - Seems a shame that following Hitachi Rail’s numerous acquisitions and restructuring to become a key player, has meant that their presence here is so disjointed. Would appreciate other opinions AlbusWulfricDumbledore (talk) 17:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 14:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

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