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This workshop is part of the Graphics Lab, a project aimed at picture retouching to improve the graphical content of the Wikimedia projects. More information about the lab can be found on its main page and requests pages (Illustrations ; Photographs ; Maps ; Video and Sound). To ask questions or make a suggestions, see the talk page of the graphic lab page.

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Proposed flags of Norway (1821)[edit]

Article(s)
Flag of Norway
Request
Could someone please create SVG files of the above proposals for the flag of Norway from 1821. More information on them can be seen on this page here. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 17:57, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinions
@Snow Lion Fenian:
Other source images can be found at Forslag til flagg, for year 1821. Those are same images, but with layout paper for color expectation. En rouge (talk) 19:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
I think that the second (2nd) proposal can simply be made by taking the flag of the Dominican Republic (or "Santo Domingo") and removing the coat of arms. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Stock-brush-red.svg Request taken by En rouge (talk) 22:17, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

to be progressively completed...
@Snow Lion Fenian:
before completing ornaments on flags, please tell me if you have some comments/requirements, essentially about aspect ratio, line width, colors, or...
yours, En rouge (talk) 02:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
@En rouge: Those all seem nicely in order, thank you for doing this. I'd say it's okay to go ahead and add the extra symbols on each one. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 15:43, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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two comments
- 10 doesn't use this strange color, but only yellowed material.
- 14 does not present Scandinavian cross, only a very thick Saint George's Cross

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@213.192.68.53:, please, can you give references for your arguments :
  • for 10: yellow rather than olive (as seen in 04 & (ref.1)
but in (ref.1), we can see differences between mast color (yellow-ish) and flag color (olive-ish)... what are your sources?
but I can agree with you, as for #10, I think viewed-black is blue instead, but I have no source...
I think it's the same (blue instead of black) for 6 & 7 (painted source images give me this feeling), as well as 10 perhaps ;
14 seems really be black (but I've got no other source than the given paper painted flags copy)
  • for 14: do you mean the cross is centered ? do you have a source ?
  • and/or other sources ?
  • for lion's tail, what's the problem ?
the main issue can be inward or outward... whatever the painting/display/rendering...
no?
all pictures are lion-ward (i.e. outward), rather than leopard-ward (inward)
so, what do you mean ?

thanks En rouge (talk) 00:17, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Batavia's flag[edit]

Article(s): Batavia (Indonesian, but it can be used in English version too)

Request
Could someone recreated two Batavia's flag (image 1 and image 2, fig. 212) in vectorized version? Thanks. AnsyahF (talk) 01:19, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
@AnsyahF: Hi!
  1. FYI, I've found this picture of the first flag. It corresponds to the french text description #212. But it doesn't seems in accordance with the drawing fig. 212. What is your opinion? Thanks En rouge (talk) 00:14, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
  2. And, what about the svg version of the escutcheon?
  1. @En rouge: At first I didn't believe about that, but I found the colored one and it confirmed your findings. Seems the author don't have the image colored.
    (By the way, your "first" flag is likely originated from Nieuwe Tafel van Alle de Zeevarende Vlagge des Werelts. See the bottom part, third from left)
  2. The escutcheon is taken from File:Coat of Arms of Batavia (1930).svg. Both of these SVG are created by same author. The author said that he took some freedom to draw these coat of arms as long as it fits the blazon (verbal description). So, I think it's OK. AnsyahF (talk) 05:34, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
@AnsyahF, En rouge:, I found a different "Flag of Batavia" in this flag chart from 1864. It looks similar to the first image, but the field within the coat of arms of Batavia is blank. But note that a lot of the flags in this chart are inaccurate, for example the Kingdoms of "Holland" and Belgium don't typically have their coats of arms, furthermore, I have noticed a lot more errors in the flag chart, but it does show an alternative flag of Batavia. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 21:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
@Donald Trung: I like it, but it would be nice if you standardize the "escutcheon" theme to paper-style (for example). AnsyahF (talk) 01:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
And what about the ratio of the flags to be changed to be like this flag? Do you mind? AnsyahF (talk) 02:12, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
@AnsyahF:, my bad, I forgot to add my standard disclaimer that I am not a WikiGraphist, well, not a very skilled one. 😅 I created the concept image as a reference for WikiGraphists to work with. Ever since discovering this page I just wanted to help out in whatever small way I could as I asked quite a lot of requests when I "got started" here and I am trying to expand my Inkscape skills. But for whatever reason I cannot change the proportions of images in Inkscape (which is why I rarely take on flag requests) and I tried to create "as close an approximation" as I could with how I know Inkscape works. Also I hated how this request got ignored for so long, but unfortunately I can't help beyond what I did above. Face-sad.svg --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
@Donald Trung: I'm sorry for pushing you a bit hard, I understand it. And I want to say thank you for making the concept. I used your concept as reference to new flag that I just created. I managed to standardize the element theme though it needs more file from the others. Moreover, this flag is documented on several flag charts and it was described as naval flag, and it shows transparent background of the herald (look at the gallery to find out more). AnsyahF (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
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Achievement of the Việt Cộng[edit]

Article(s): en:Emblem of Vietnam#List

Request
Hello fellow people online… I would like to create the creation of an SVG version of the above achievement (coat of arms), the preferred file name would be "File:Coat of arms of the Việt Cộng.svg". --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)

Not a graphist: @Donald Trung: are you sure the word "Achievement" is the word you want? Do you know the French word of what you are trying to say for "Achievement"? Veverve (talk) 12:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve:, I'm simply using the word Hubert de Vries uses. He's an expert in heraldry, vexillology, and general iconography and he used the term for this type of coat of arms. If you know a better word then please change it. Also, I'm not familiar with the French word for "Achievement". --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 13:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Dictionary.com defines achievement: Heraldry. the full display of the armorial bearings of an individual or corporation. I'm not sure it's what is intended here. RCraig09 (talk) 19:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps the term "Coat of arms" is better in this context then. In Vietnamese we just use the general terms "Quốc huy" and "Huy hiệu" which can be used to translate "Achievement", "Emblem", "Coat of arms", Etc. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 06:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
I’d stick to “full emblem”, “elaborated state symbol”, or something like that; while I get what you mean by calling it an “achievement”, this is a rather technical term in European (esp. British) heraldry, usually implying the presence of such specific elements as a compartment, motto, shield, helm, crest, and supporters. Few of these have direct parallels in most post-colonial republican or socialist emblems.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 01:12, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Hunza[edit]

Article(s): en:Hunza (princely state)

request(s)

1 request is a restore of the old version of incorrect flag [1] sources:[2] [3] [4] ✓ Done

2 request is the addition of the Mir standard [5], which also requires an emblem.

I have not found a reliable source with the correct image of the coat of arms, but it was certainly a lion holding flag, with a ribbon on the mast with the word Hunza state and inscription above the flag [6] [7], most likely no formal draft exists.

standard name ,,Flag of Mir of Hunza`` coat of arms name ,,Emblem of Hunza (Kanjut)``

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Graphist opinion(s)


Olympic medals 2000 - 2016 and Olympic gold medals 2000 - 2016[edit]

Article(s): 2020 Summer Olympics medal table

Request
Would you please update this to 2020? Tokyo 2020 Summer Olympics is starting --SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 02:03, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
@SpinnerLaserzthe2nd: caution : the two files are only used in 2016 Olympics pages, and don't need to be modified ;
I think that :
  • 2020 - 2016 files shall remain as is :
  • please remove your renaming request, still being 2000 - 2016
  • (except, eventually, having Summer in the file name)
  • for the 2020 Olympics :
  • required 2020 files should be new files
  • Tokyo 2020 Olympics have just started, these diagrams only need to be done after the event, as all data are compiled.
yours, En rouge (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
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Wiktionary Logo modification[edit]

Article(s): English Wiktionary Logo, potentially other Wiktionary projects

Request
I would like to propose a new Wiktionary logo that includes the character
instead of 维. See here for a discussion I started on this topic at English Wiktionary. One detail is that, as User:justin(r)leung suggested, it would be nice for the character to be set in the same style as it is on the en:Wikipedia logo (ie, to look like
rather than
. In text this can be done by tagging the character as Japanese rather than Chinese, and it might also depend on the font. I hope it is not terribly complicated to switch the character from 维 to
, and I think having such a version would make proposing the change much more fluid. Thanks, --ChromeGames923 (talk) 23:37, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)


Emblem of Bombay State, Vindhya Pradesh and Goa, Daman and Diu[edit]

Article(s): w:Vindhya Pradesh w:Bombay State w:Goa, Daman and Diu

Request
please vectorize emblem of Bombay State, Vindhya Pradesh and Goa, Daman and Diu.

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Graphist opinion(s)

Patiala and East Punjab States Union[edit]

Article(s): w:Patiala and East Punjab States Union

Request
please vectorize stamp of Patiala and East Punjab States Union, behind the lions is Khanda.

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Graphist opinion(s)
  • Kindly provide Texts written on coint. --Sushant savla (talk) 06:55, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Simplify a crown and change the colour and design of its cap[edit]

Article(s): the articles which already use this image

Request
I ask someone to: 1) simplify the crown of the SVG by removing all fleurs de lys, the pearls on the arch, and the decorations on the band; 2) also for the crown, turn the cap in red and make it go higher; 3) the crown should be a bit higher above the coat of arms, which means the crown should not be moved and that CoA should be lowered. It is so that the SVG looks more like the model. --Veverve (talk) 06:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
This is another version of the same flag, just in case. Sodacan (talk) 09:24, 13 August 2021 (UTC)


Fill and reduce a star[edit]

Article(s):

Request
The star (upper left corner) on the model (other angle) is filled with yellow, but the star in the SVG version is empty. The star in the SVG version should be filled with yellow. The star in the model is also smaller than in the SVG version, therefore the star in the SVG version should be reduced. --Veverve (talk) 07:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
This image was nominated for deletion on 8 August 2021; see Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Oren neu dag. —RCraig09 (talk) 14:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
@RCraig09: I know, but this image is likely to stay. Veverve (talk) 14:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Flags of Lesotho[edit]

Article(s): en:Flag of Lesotho

Request
Please create a flag hybrid of Lesotho in 1987 and 2006, like flag of Austria/Germany. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)


Azerbaijani version of xkcd comic[edit]

Request
Azerbaijani version of this comic.
"Citation needed" would be "Mənbə?" --NMW03 (talk) 20:17, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)

New version of File:Nuvola Nordic flags.svg[edit]

Article(s): en:Template:User Nordic cinema task force and en:Template:WikiProject Film

Request
Make a new edited version of File:Nuvola Nordic flags.svg Nuvola Nordic flags.svg by replacing its flag of the Faroe Islands Nuvola Faroese flag.svg with the flag of Finland Nuvola Finnish flag.svg, so then it has all five flags of the five Nordic countries.
The new image would replace the Nordic cinema task force's image in the templates User Nordic cinema task force and WikiProject Film. --85.23.79.231 14:10, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)

Not a graphist. Is this not done one purpose to exclude Finland which is culturally different from the other countries? I feel such a request should be to make a new image and not to overwrite the previous one. Veverve (talk) 01:24, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I meant with the "new edited version", sorry if the request wasn't clear enough. It can be named something like File:Nuvola Nordic flags v2.svg or File:Nuvola Nordic countries flags.svg. 85.23.79.231 11:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Flag construction sheet[edit]

Article(s): en:Flag of Somaliland

Request
Could someone please make construction sheet of this flag.
Like this Flag of Turkey (construction sheet).svg… --Siirski (talk) 09:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)


Arms of the House of Estridsen (SVG)[edit]

Article(s): en:House of Estridsen, en:Ancient and modern arms, en:Battle of Lyndanisse, en:Obotrites, ETC.

Request
The current file for the arms of the royal House of Estridsen (SVG) looks like a cartoon; moreover it is historically inaccurate. According to the historical source, the waterlily pads should have an uniform size, just like in the deriving arms of Denmark (SVG). The beasts could instead be improved using the design from the deriving arms of Tallinn (SVG), that are identical to the original ones, but adjusting their size according to the different shape of the original shield. --Est. 2021 (talk) 10:16, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)

✓ Done - Nancystodd (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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triangle at the edges[edit]

Request

most of the white triangles are empty, and one is fading red. Can anyone fix it?

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Graphist opinion(s)

It took a bit of work to isolate where all the issues were but I finally tracked it down to an issue with cloning of the triangles. They should all be visible now.

✓ Done - Nancystodd (talk) 04:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@Nancystodd: Hi! Do you know you can test the rendering of your svg file in File:test.svg?
yours, En rouge (talk) 15:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
@En rouge:. I did not know that but this will be very useful for me. Wikimedia's SVG renderer does not behave like any other viewers including the browsers themselves. It can look perfect but not quite render when uploaded to Commons. It is not often an issue, but in SVGs that show display problems, it is hard to trace the problems caused by their renderer. Many thanks, Nancystodd (talk) 20:07, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
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triangle at the edges 2[edit]

Request

these banners also have a problem with the triangles, also on the latter need to add new crowns

213.192.68.53 51.8.2021
Graphist opinion(s)

Stock-brush-red.svg Request taken by Nancystodd (talk) 21:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC) ✓ Done

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Standard of the Armed Forces of Malta[edit]

Article(s): w:Armed Forces of Malta

Request
On this page I discovered an image for the standard of the Armed Forces of Malta. It's based on the national flag of Malta, but looks like a 4:3 flag, on the middle of flag there is a golden De Redin Tower, below the golden tower there is a golden ribbon with the motto FORZI ARMATI. It would be awesome if anyone can make it available in SVG format. --Great Brightstar (talk) 01:03, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
I've also seen the flag image from the following sources:
--Great Brightstar (talk)
Graphist opinion(s)


New logo for Limburgish Wiktionary[edit]

The community wishes for the logo to be changed. The current motto of the project, ‘d vrie waordsbook, is in 'High Limburgish', a deprecated standard form. Instead, we wish for the motto to run ‘t vrie waordebook. None of us are able to create such a file. Could someone please do this for us? Steinbach (talk) 20:41, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Two weeks and no reply. Come on people, we need this new logo. Is our request so unimportant? Steinbach (talk) 12:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Stock-brush-red.svg Request taken by LX | Talk 15:19, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
@Steinbach: Hi, I changed the motto according to your request (see here). Pls let me know in case there is something that still needs to be improved. And last but not least, should I overwrite the existing file (File:Wiktionary-logo-li.svg) or upload it as a new separate file? LX | Talk 16:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi @Lệ Xuân:, thank you very much. Yes, it is fine now. You can overwrite the old file alright. Steinbach (talk) 16:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
@Steinbach Oh, it seems that I cannot overwrite the file yet as it is fully protected. I'll probably have to ask other admins to unprotect it first. LX | Talk 16:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
✓ Done LX | Talk 17:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
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Flag of Argentina (vertical)[edit]

Article: w:List of Argentine flags

Request
SVG version is needed of the first image. Adds the necessary components. -213.192.68.53 20:48, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)

Stock-brush-red.svg Request taken by RCraig09 (talk) 13:32, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

@213.192.68.53:
Unfortunately the name File:Flag of Argentina (vertical).svg was already occupied by a version without the Sol de Mayo.
I chose an 8:5 ratio to correspond to the widely used File:Flag of Argentina.svg.
If changes are needed, please let me know. ✓ DoneRCraig09 (talk) 15:14, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


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Convert to SVG[edit]

Article(s): en:Addison Airport Toll Tunnel

Request
Hi! Please convert this PNG file into an SVG one. Thanks! --TextClick (talk) 00:26, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)


SVG templates - Irish Wolfhound[edit]

Article(s)
Template
Request
Could someone please create some heraldic SVG templates of an Irish Wolfhound, based on the images seen here. And, if it's not too much, I'd ask that a number of them be created, displaying the Wolfhound in various different positions (running, standing on all fours, rampant, lying down, and so on). Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 19:34, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)

National Research and Innovation Agency (Indonesia) logos[edit]

Article(s): National Research and Innovation Agency (Indonesia)

Request
Could someone please make SVG version of this newly formed Indonesian government agency? Thanks! -Ibrahim Muizzuddin (talk) 15:51, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)
I uploaded new, alt logo, from BRIN Website from here: https://www.brin.go.id/wp-content/themes/ristekdikti2018/assets/img/new_brinlogo.png -Mmnashrullah (talk) 05:13, 11 September 2021 (UTC)}}

Coat of arms of Hœdic[edit]

Article(s): Any article this already appears on.

Request
Could someone please redraw the above PNG arms of the island of Hœdic as SVG. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 16:02, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)


Former coat of arms of Semarang[edit]

Article(s): Semarang

Request
Could someone make vectorised version of the old coat of arms of Semarang? Yes, I know if there is already an SVG version of this coat of arms, but it seems quite inaccurate and incomplete compared to the small JPG version which I have uploaded here. Thanks. -Ibrahim Muizzuddin (talk) 16:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)


Information illustration with obscure measures[edit]

Article(s): [[]]

Request
Change all measurements to international standard units and remove imperialist stuff, please - MPF (talk) 20:45, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)


File:SE1999Aug11T.png[edit]

Article(s): ru:Солнечное затмение 11 августа 1999 года

Request
The map has very old borders, i.e. with two Germanies. 217.117.125.83 11:31, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Graphist opinion(s)


Town flags of Brittany[edit]

Article(s): Binic, Concarneau, Dinan, Fouesnant, Landerneau, Plancoët and List of Breton flags.

Request
Can someone please create an SVG files of the flags of the following Breton towns:
  1. The flag of Binic, as seen here.
  2. The flag of Concarneau, as seen here.
  3. The flag of Dinan, as seen here.
  4. The flag of Fouesnant, as seen here.
  5. The flag of Landerneau, as seen here.
  6. The flag of Plancoët, as seen here.

As you can see, each one is effectively a banner of the towns' respective coats of arms, provided above for anyone who wishes to try it. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 17:18, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s)
  • I take Fouesnant only at this time. What aspect ratio is desired? The crwflags image is 3:2. —RCraig09 (talk) 15:20, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
@RCraig09: Thanks for taking on Fouesnant. Yes, I think the 3:2 aspect ratio would suffice, if it's okay. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 15:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Flag of Fouesnant, France.svg is complete, je crois. Let me know if changes are needed. —RCraig09 (talk) 21:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
@RCraig09: That's perfect, and thanks for doing this. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 14:20, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
@RCraig09:
What is the copyright status of this image? The image is significantly different from the CoA already on Commons.
It appears you vectorized the image on
If that is the case, then the vectorization may be a derivative work of that flag.
That page credits the image as "Flag of Fouesnant - Image by Arnaud Leroy, 20 March 2002".
That page describes the flag as

According to P. Rault (Les drapeaux bretons de 1188 à nos jours [rau98]), the flag of Fouesnant, as reported by Divy Kervella, is a banner of the traditional arms of the city. The arms are dated 1426 and can be blazoned as: Sable, a double-headed eagle argent, langued, beaked and clawed gules.

For meaning of terms, see A Glossary of Terms used in Heraldry.
As I understand it, there is no copyright on a blazon, but there can be copyrights on drawings made from the blazon. Consequently, the flag could use any artistic interpretation of the double-headed eagle.
We need to show that Leroy's 2002 flag has an acceptable license or we cannot use it.
Glrx (talk) 16:12, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
@Glrx: Indeed my SVG is a derivative work of the GIF that Arnaud Leroy uploaded. However, I question whether Leroy's image has the modicum of originality that warrants copyright protection in the first place, especially since his work itself must by definition be a copy or close derivative of a public domain work, and how "crowded" the field of eagle-heraldry already is. But I've already placed calls and emails through Flags of the World to try and contact Leroy for licensing or further info, so let's hold off on any action. —RCraig09 (talk) 18:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
@Glrx: Update: I've received word from Flags of the World that Arnaud Leroy has not communicated with them "for many, many years".
- Through further research I've discovered that the historical flag was apparently redrawn ("Redessiné") by Leroy (emblemes.free) as part of a larger project (cyber-flag.net). This history indicates that Leroy merely copied the historical design rather than create his own original design in the manner you seem to describe above. I am trying to contact Leroy through Pascal Vagnat at that project.
- More generally, the more I think about it, I think that choosing a particular feather configuration, beak, and claws is nearly devoid of the originality needed to warrant copyright protection in the first place. (See these Google search results for how crowded the two-headed eagle field is.) —RCraig09 (talk) 19:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note also armorialdefrance.fr for the same town--showing both were a close copy of the historical original. —RCraig09 (talk) 20:55, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
@RCraig09:
If you trace an image for Commons, you need to show the original image has a free license. Maybe Leroy executed a CC-BY-SA license. If you can show Leroy faithfully copied a free image, then that should suffice. Without something more, the default assumption is that Leroy created the design in 2002.
"More generally, the more I think about it, I think that choosing a particular feather configuration, beak, and claws is nearly devoid of the originality needed to warrant copyright protection in the first place." That is not the way it works. A double-headed eagle is not a simple shape. If someone copies my design, then it violates my copyright. Someone else independently drawing a design that looks close to my double-headed eagle does not violate my copyright. Hundreds of photographers may take similar pictures of a movie star at a press conference; the similarity of the photographs and near lack of originality in taking photos at a press conference does not remove the images from copyright protection.
Moral rights are another issue.
I do not like bringing up these issues, but Commons and WMF want to respect copyrights.
Glrx (talk) 16:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your explanations, and I understand that the WMF goes above and beyond bare legal minimums. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but in this case it's the "redrawn" ("Redessiné") that's mentioned at the emblemes.free link (above) that makes me think Leroy's is the "faithful reproduction" that you describe.
- I'm continuing to pursue contact with Leroy (if he's still living) or the current copyright holder, but as an aside: is it acceptable for a Wikimedian like me to create my own design from scratch based on a general description, and upload it to Commons? It's a well-intended enterprise but intuitively it might come off as a bit spam-like in a way the Commons would reject. Is there a written governing policy or guideline? —RCraig09 (talk) 22:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
@RCraig09:
I do not read "Redessine" as a copy; it may imply much more. Even the English transliteration to "redraw" does not imply a strict copy. If I google the Coat of Arms of Fouesnant, France, I only get a few designs, and Leroy's design is distinguishable from the others. I do not see a similar eagle at en:Double-headed eagle. Leroy may have copied his double-headed eagle, but we do not know that right now.
As I understand, anyone may create an image from the blazon. It is then her image, and if it is above TOO, then it has a copyright.
One could also use a free image to create the work. It would be a derivative work, and the additions or modifications to the composite would have to be above TOO for the derivative to have its own copyright.
Glrx (talk) 17:10, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Glrx I appreciate there is ambiguity in "redessiné", but, further: the cyber-flag.net description declares that "Pascal Vagnat and Arnaud Leroy have endeavored to reproduce the emblems of the municipalities as faithfully as possible in the form of vector drawings, a guarantee of precision and quality." These recitations diminish any claim of originality beyond dutiful copying using a graphics program. Unfortunately, my limited searching shows neither person seems to have been active for ~thirteen years and I haven't been able to contact them re licensure, or to determine actual copyright ownership.
-I haven't been able to find a definitively "original" (out-of-copyright) rendition, outside of possibly being included in a hard-to-find printed book. I'm pondering whether it's more appropriate here to go full-bore {{copyvio}} or to nominate for deletion and see what a consensus shows. What are your thoughts at this point? RCraig09 (talk) 15:25, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
@RCraig09:
Sigh. I wish the origin were clear. At this point, I would vote delete in a DR.
The simple solution is to use File:COA fr Fouesnant.svg by Brieg to make a new version of the image. The new flag would then still hold Brieg's copyright as replacing the background shield with a background flag would be {{PD-shape}}. Once that is uploaded, you could ask an admin to revdel the earlier image as a questionable license.
Glrx (talk) 17:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

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Glrx I've created and uploaded a Version Two (18 Sept) of the flag based on Brieg's 2007 CoA design. Version Two seems crude compared to Leroy's and others, so in the meantime I'd like to initiate a discussion rather than summarily delete Version One (13 Sept); however, RevDel seems to be geared toward summarily deleting a subsequent version rather than discussing an earlier version. Suggestions? —RCraig09 (talk) 22:15, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@RCraig09:
For a discussion, open a DR but in the deletion request make sure that that you are only asking to delete the first version (not all versions).
Yes, the original version is much better than the current, but that is also why Leroy deserves a copyright if he drew it himself.
Glrx (talk) 23:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


Flag of Dol-de-Bretagne[edit]

Article(s): Dol-de-Bretagne, List of Breton flags and Nordic cross flag

Request
Will someone please create an SVG file of the flag of Dol-de-Bretagne, as seen here and here, using elements from the town's coat of arms provided above. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 12:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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Flag of Rostrenen[edit]

Article(s): Rostrenen and List of Breton flags

Request
Could someone please create an SVG file of the flag of Rostrenen, as seen here. Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
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Seal of Trần Quang Đức (陳光德)[edit]

Article(s): en:Trần Quang Đức.

Request
Hello everyone… Can someone please make a vectorised version of the seal of the famous Vietnamese art historian Trần Quang Đức (陳光德)? --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 20:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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